The Truth About (Super)Cars

"CAcoalminer" (CAcoalminer)
09/13/2016 at 21:00 • Filed to: None

They’re quite expensive to own...

DISCUSSION (66)

Saracen > CAcoalminer
09/13/2016 at 21:04

I would expect nothing less from an exotic, Le Mans-derived street car.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > CAcoalminer
09/13/2016 at 21:13

$23 o-rings, a $250 serp belt and $360 thermostat....

dogisbadob > CAcoalminer
09/13/2016 at 21:14

Kinja'd!!!

shop-teacher > CAcoalminer
09/13/2016 at 21:28

Yep! But if you can afford a Carrerea GT, chances are a $9350 service isn’t gonna hurt the budget too badly.

Leadbull > CAcoalminer
09/13/2016 at 21:32

Which car was it?

Batman the Horse > dogisbadob
09/13/2016 at 21:35

Is that the car this is for?

dogisbadob > Batman the Horse
09/13/2016 at 21:37

nope :p

just a supercar that isn’t so expensive to own, at least in terms of regular upkeep needed

whoarder is tellurium > CAcoalminer
09/13/2016 at 21:41

“Procedure was followed by directly from work shop manuel”.

“Over rev counter at 5 events”

Dang it Manuel.

CAcoalminer > shop-teacher
09/13/2016 at 21:48

That’s just the labor for the major service.

CAcoalminer > dogisbadob
09/13/2016 at 21:49

I would assume that the LFA is just as reliable as any other Lexus but have clue what the service costs are.

scoob > Leadbull
09/13/2016 at 21:50

Says Carrera GT about halfway down.

CAcoalminer > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
09/13/2016 at 21:54

Actually, they were only $17, $219, and $298. The first listed price is the normal rate per item, the second listed price is the rate you actually paid per item, and the third rate is the total that you paid for that item. They give you a break on each item when you do a major service.

Leadbull > scoob
09/13/2016 at 22:05

scoob > Leadbull
09/13/2016 at 22:07

Don’t worry, I couldn’t find it either. I saw the other comments first. :P

Leadbull > scoob
09/13/2016 at 22:10

I saw shop-teacher’s comment, went back and read closely, and still couldn’t find anything.

Ż\_()_/Ż

PatBateman > CAcoalminer
09/13/2016 at 22:11

A buddy of mine used to have a Carrera GT, but he got rid of it because the driveshaft snapped twice. Porsche covered it the first time, but not the second time. Apparently, it was more cost effective for him to buy a brand new Scuderia instead of keeping ze German beauty.

Don’t snap the driveshaft; your expensive repair bills will get expensiver.

shop-teacher > CAcoalminer
09/13/2016 at 22:19

Oh wow! These are problems I will never have.

bhtooefr > Batman the Horse
09/13/2016 at 22:38

No, but the right engine configuration (wrong place though).

That’s Volkswagen-style part numbering, and 980 is the Carrera GT. And, it also says Carrera GT.

Batman the Horse > bhtooefr
09/13/2016 at 22:40

I have dumb eyes and brain. Thanks.

Flynorcal: pilot, offshore sailor, car racer and panty thief > CAcoalminer
09/13/2016 at 22:53

Just skip every other major maintenance and you save like half or something. Source: Tavarish

Lol.

CAcoalminer > PatBateman
09/13/2016 at 23:26

Wow. I’ve honestly never heard of a CGT having that issue. Was he doing burnouts with it or increase its horsepower output? That doesn’t seem like a part that would snap under normal driving situations.

(Note- When you say “driveshaft”, I assume you’re referring to what I know of as the “halfshaft”, which is the rod-like part that transmits power from the differential to the wheels.)

As for it being more cost effective to switch to the Scud, that doesn’t surprise me at all. Ferrari has come such a long way in terms of reliability since when I was younger and much wiser. In fact, I know friends who only budget around $2k for the upkeep of their modern Ferraris.

Haha that’s a good think to keep in mind!

Speaking of ridiculous prices, I recently changed the pads on my newest Porsche and the bill came to over $5k. Why? Because mine has the Weissach Package which means the back plate of the brake pads is made of titanium instead of steel like the standard model. It allegedly saves about 4 lbs., so I guess that counts for something.

CAcoalminer > Flynorcal: pilot, offshore sailor, car racer and panty thief
09/13/2016 at 23:31

Haha.

RallyWrench > CAcoalminer
09/14/2016 at 00:26

Nice of them to give a break on the oil price, at least. Good thing they followed the shop Manuel for the clutch check, but I’m curious about the aftermarket suspension and overrev count. I’d imagine that’s easy to do with so little inertia.

PatBateman > CAcoalminer
09/14/2016 at 10:00

Yes yes, the half shaft. The first time, it popped while he was driving around the neighborhood no faster than the speed limit. The second time was on a track “at speed”. Got rid of that, got a Scuderia. Now he has a 458 (and a new CTS-V as his daily).

As far as I understand, he’s never had any major problems with his Ferraris. Well, none that aren’t from him regularly flogging them on the track.

Four pounds? Is that per wheel, or per car? I'm sure it's for the whole car... Porsche would make a CF license plate holder and charge $2k for it. lol

CAcoalminer > RallyWrench
09/14/2016 at 11:56

The “after market” suspension they make mention of is a hydraulic KW unit that allows both the front and rear of the vehicle to be lifted up in order to navigate high points in the road. A quite useful feature for those that drive their vehicles regularly.

As for the overrev count, yes, the lack of inertia makes adjusting to the correct shift points a bit more difficult that most vehicles.

CAcoalminer > PatBateman
09/14/2016 at 12:06

That’s quite strange. All I can assume is that he got a part from a bad batch or it was installed incorrectly and potentially had too much binding on it. Hard to say.

Sounds like a good duo to have and I’m glad to hear that he actually exercises his vehicles.

That makes sense.

The way I understood it, it was for the total weight of the Weissach specific pads in comparison to the regular vehicle’s pads.

Yes, Porsche’s prices are a bit silly sometimes... ok, most of the time. Haha

PatBateman > CAcoalminer
09/14/2016 at 13:17

My friend is a speed nut. He ran track in college, is a self-made entrepreneur, owns a couple private jets, and likes fast cars. He operates all vehicles (including the ones that fly through the air and have wings) himself, and all vehicles are driven to their limits regularly. He’s a damned hoot.

CAcoalminer > PatBateman
09/14/2016 at 15:04

That’s terrific. I wish more people had his competitive drive and ambition.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer
09/19/2016 at 02:45

They’re like children. Too expensive to keep. Too loved to get rid of.

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari
09/19/2016 at 09:41

Very well put, my friend.

I’m quite glad to hear from you after so long. Hope you’ve been doing well.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer
09/19/2016 at 13:28

Thank you my friend. Sorry I was gone for so long. I got a lot of catching up to. Need to read your posts to see what changes you made to your garage.

I’m well, thanks. Work got insane but is a bit better now.

I’m glad this place is still online after the whole Gawker bankruptcy.

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari
09/19/2016 at 15:05

No, need to apologize. I’m fully aware of how hectic work and life can become. There was a while in my life where it seemed like all I did was work, eat, and go to bed.

Glad to hear you are doing well and hope to see you post a bit more regularly again!

As for the garage, a few things have changed.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer
09/19/2016 at 15:34

Thanks. Yeah you know how it is too. When you own your own business or are a business exec you have no control over workload. If something big changes you have to suck it up and work extra until things get settled. We made a change at a key management position and I had to take on that role until we had the right opportunity to replace that VP. And that took a while. Once we made that change it took a while to get caught up after having so much time where I was wearing too many hats.

I probably still can’t be on as much as before but I will definitely be checking your posts for updates and asking you questions about your super cars!

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari
09/19/2016 at 16:18

Sorry to hear about that but I’m glad that everything seems to be settling down again for you.

Sounds good.

Manuél Ferrari > PatBateman
09/19/2016 at 19:19

What color combo is the Scud?

Manuél Ferrari > dogisbadob
09/19/2016 at 19:20

Too bad it’s impossible to find a good deal on buying an LFA ;(

Manuél Ferrari > Leadbull
09/19/2016 at 19:21

I saw it right away. I guess I have a knack for finding CGTs.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer
09/19/2016 at 19:22

A mechanic told me that the manual 599 is even more difficult. That car wasn’t designed to be a manual at all.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer
09/19/2016 at 19:50

Thank you my friend.

I saw that you are retired now? Does that mean fully retired, or do you still have to do some work remotely?

PatBateman > Manuél Ferrari
09/19/2016 at 20:11

Red with the grey stripe.

Manuél Ferrari > PatBateman
09/19/2016 at 20:14

Mmm. That’s a nice combo.

My favorite combos are that, blue with white or grey stripes or yellow with black stripes

Leadbull > Manuél Ferrari
09/19/2016 at 20:17

Please tell me this means you bought a CGT

PatBateman > Manuél Ferrari
09/19/2016 at 20:17

They had the Italian flag stripes too, didn't they?

Manuél Ferrari > Leadbull
09/19/2016 at 20:31

I wish. It was one of the first exotics I considered back in 2012. I would have had to take a loss on my house to buy it.

It would have been worth it. The loss I would have taken would have been made up for because the CGT has at least doubled since then.

Manuél Ferrari > PatBateman
09/19/2016 at 20:34

Yeah they had that one too. I like the regular stripes better though. The Italian stripe addds too much color if the car is already painted in a base color. Maybe cool on a non-color like black though

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari
09/19/2016 at 20:45

That makes sense.

Leadbull > Manuél Ferrari
09/19/2016 at 20:46

Well, you can’t see the future, so oh well. At least your Fezzas won’t be losing value anytime soon

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari
09/19/2016 at 20:53

Yes, fully retired.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer
09/19/2016 at 21:30

Nice! Now there is more time for family and cars :)

Manuél Ferrari > Leadbull
09/19/2016 at 21:33

True. And even if they do I don’t care. Gonna stop buying cars for a while in case the whole economy tanks. That will bring the prices of everything down.

Then maybe I can find an M1 race car for cheap

Leadbull > Manuél Ferrari
09/19/2016 at 21:43

The road going M1s are selling in the $500-600K range. Idk what a Procar would go for, but possibly double that.

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari
09/19/2016 at 23:36

Exactly! Haha

Manuél Ferrari > Leadbull
09/20/2016 at 14:46

OMG

The regular ones were SO cheap a decade ago

I saw a Procar at the dealership next to my work last year

It was so nice

Leadbull > Manuél Ferrari
09/20/2016 at 17:53

Well, I guess a lot of stuff was cheap a decade ago :(

That’s crazy, my local dealership doesn’t even have an M4 or anything in the showroom. Last time I drove by, I just made out a 5 series and an X1 or something.

Manuél Ferrari > Leadbull
09/20/2016 at 17:59

Yeah true :(

But hopefully the next time the economy tanks (and we know that will be SOONish) we won’t starve and we can buy cars for cheap.

The last time I checked there were some M4s around me. But the only Manuél ones were rare and normally in the convertible. Weird.

Leadbull > Manuél Ferrari
09/20/2016 at 18:25

I have to believe that the classic car bubble is going to pop at some point. I mean, this can’t continue, right?

There’s only so many rich people, and the cost of living vs. wage imbalance is growing for most everyone else.

Manuél Ferrari > Leadbull
09/21/2016 at 21:03

Oh yeah it will for sure. It can’t continue indefinitely.

One of the main reasons it has gone up so much is because interest rates are so low so people with a ton of cash who like cars would rather buy a car than leave the money in a money market account.

Eventually the bubble will burst, just like all bubbles...

Leadbull > Manuél Ferrari
09/21/2016 at 21:23

Have any educated guesses on when that might happen?

Manuél Ferrari > Leadbull
09/22/2016 at 20:30

Based on what I’ve read so far the global economy will start trending downwards sometime between November 8th 2016 and the end of 2017.

What I don’t know is if it will be a slow fall, medium fall or violent crash.

A bunch of leading indicators are already bad. Trump winning might spook people and make things worse. A big company going belly up like Bear Stearns did could happen at any time and cause a chain reaction. Also German’s elections are next year and the result of those elections could determine the fate of the EU. And finally China is due for a recession and has been trying to avoid it for as long as possible but eventually it will happen.

Here in So Cal a ton of people are already freaking out and selling their houses to rent for a while and see what happens. Nobody is confident that these crazy high real estate prices will last.

Leadbull > Manuél Ferrari
09/23/2016 at 01:32

One the one hand, I hope that doesn’t affect your business *too* badly. I know you’ve been working like hell, so it’d be a shame if the global economy pissed all that away.

On the other hand, cheap cars.

Manuél Ferrari > Leadbull
09/23/2016 at 02:20

Thanks man. I feel bad for you too because I know job opportunities are already not great and then a recession will make it worse.

I honestly can’t predict how it will affect my line of business. Prices tanked in our industry when the last recession happened and never really recovered. And costs have gone up a lot. So I don’t know what will happen if there is downword pricing pressure again.

Leadbull > Manuél Ferrari
09/23/2016 at 13:39

Well thankfully the military will always be shipping its crap around the globe, so my job supporting that is pretty stable.

Manuél Ferrari > Leadbull
09/23/2016 at 16:11

Haha yes you will have one of the only safe jobs

Leadbull > Manuél Ferrari
09/23/2016 at 16:18

Me on Thanksgiving:

“So what are you thankful for?”

“Widespread international conflict and turmoil”

Manuél Ferrari > Leadbull
09/23/2016 at 16:22

LOLOL

Leadbull > Manuél Ferrari
09/23/2016 at 16:33

Ż\_()_/Ż